Whenever there's a suicide-type terrorist attack I always hear the bombers referred to as cowardly. I think you can use many words to describe a suicide bombing, but cowardly isn't one of them. It seems to me it takes a lot of bravery to be willing to die horribly for a cause you believe in (no matter how evil your actions). Are these suicide bombers murderers? Yes. Are they cowardly? I don't think so. We need a new cliche-type adjective to use . . .
A suicide attack is a desperate, last-resort act. The suicide bombers are referred to as cowardly because their attacks are almost always against defenseless civilians, including women, children and elderly. Also, don't forget that these aren't affluent people killing themselves. These are brain-washed poverty-stricken youths whose families are PAID large sums of money for them carrying these acts out. I don't see the honor or courage in it at all. I don't think suicide bombers are courageous, nor the 9/11 highjackers, nor do I think Timothy McVeigh was courageous. (Tim's attack turned out to be suicide in the end)
Please don't start to admire these guys' courage or audacity or ruthlessness.
Please don't start to admire these guys' courage or audacity or ruthlessness.
When you see guys like Arafat and Saddam purposley starve families,some people would rather be looked at as a martyr than watch ther families die of starvation..great motivational tool that food and water thing...and have those leaders blame the US and Jews for going hungry...kind of what the Romans did to the animals to get them ready to attack christians.
Courage vs. cowardice is all about taking personal risks. To call these guys courageous is to know what the word means because they are taking the ultimate risk. To call them cowards is to either not know what the concept means or to be a brainwasher oneself since the motivation of using such a word is to try to prevent others from associating any positive adjectives with these people even in cases when it is warranted.
Darryl, that sounds good, except it misses the fact.
Suicide bombing is not a "risk".
The people doing it expect to die..they are not bravely trying to do something and hoping to heroically make it out alive.
The only risk they are taking involves whether they actually get to the target they want before ending their life.
Suicide bombing is not a "risk".
The people doing it expect to die..they are not bravely trying to do something and hoping to heroically make it out alive.
The only risk they are taking involves whether they actually get to the target they want before ending their life.
Saw two comedians address speak about the suicide bombers recently
Bill Maher had a great line about getting 72 virgins as reward, to paraphrase " after 5 or 6 virgins, wouldn't you really want to have a pro at this point"
Another guy on Comedy central had a routine about how they prep the teenage girls to remain virgins in the muslim world, "yes wear a burka, yes remain chaste, yes no school, and if you are really lucky and die young you and 71 other lucky girls can become a sex slave for a terrorist"
Bill Maher had a great line about getting 72 virgins as reward, to paraphrase " after 5 or 6 virgins, wouldn't you really want to have a pro at this point"
Another guy on Comedy central had a routine about how they prep the teenage girls to remain virgins in the muslim world, "yes wear a burka, yes remain chaste, yes no school, and if you are really lucky and die young you and 71 other lucky girls can become a sex slave for a terrorist"
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
I think it's the ultimate risk because of the uncertainty with what happens after death. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, the ultimate risk is not making the most of your LIFE.
Sooner or later, we're all going to find out what happens after death. I'm going to have some fun, do some cool shit, be a good father and try to make a few people smile before I go.
Anyways...get your head straight regarding these terrorists. It seems like you're in conflict over whether or not you admire these
scumbag animals. Don't be seduced by their desperate acts and religious jargon. Don't c-r-o-s-s over. KIT. K I T. Keep it together.
I think it's the ultimate risk because of the uncertainty with what happens after death. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, the ultimate risk is not making the most of your LIFE.
Sooner or later, we're all going to find out what happens after death. I'm going to have some fun, do some cool shit, be a good father and try to make a few people smile before I go.
Anyways...get your head straight regarding these terrorists. It seems like you're in conflict over whether or not you admire these
scumbag animals. Don't be seduced by their desperate acts and religious jargon. Don't c-r-o-s-s over. KIT. K I T. Keep it together.
American,
I see where you're coming from and if I were American I would be as right wing as they get. There ARE big threats to your country and you need to be tough to fight them. In my country, though, being right wing means rooting for the liberals in the US. This is because we feel the pinch of the US wanting to turn us into another state of the union. They want us to fight in Iraq, build environment disrupting NATO locator stations on our mountains etc. ie. use our resources to fight for causes we have very little to do with.
You could say that it's all in our best interest etc. and that we have no choice because America is more powerful so we must do as they say, but with all due respect I don't want to be American. Let us decide what is in our interest, or if you guys really think you know what's good for us, why not just take us over like you did with Iraq?
An American saying they don't want to be American is problematic, and I would question why they don't move away. But a non-American saying that is quite natural IMO. If I wanted to be American I would have become one by now.
As for the suicide bombers and the extremist Muslims, I don't agree with their attacks on innocent civilians but I do watch with awe as so many people are willing to pay the ultimate price for something that at first glance seems quite frivolous to them. It makes me ask...why is it so important to them!? Just calling them lunatics doesn't cut it with me. People are more complex creatures than that and even the craziest lunatic has reasons for doing what he does, and by analyzing them we can learn more about ourselves. Heck, I even learn from watching my dog sometimes.
It doesn't mean that all of a sudden we should agree with them but to go deeper into their psyche surely can't hurt. There could be some ways to give them something they want to stop the attacks without giving up anything important to the US. The only way to find such solutions is to understand their way of thinking IMO.
I see where you're coming from and if I were American I would be as right wing as they get. There ARE big threats to your country and you need to be tough to fight them. In my country, though, being right wing means rooting for the liberals in the US. This is because we feel the pinch of the US wanting to turn us into another state of the union. They want us to fight in Iraq, build environment disrupting NATO locator stations on our mountains etc. ie. use our resources to fight for causes we have very little to do with.
You could say that it's all in our best interest etc. and that we have no choice because America is more powerful so we must do as they say, but with all due respect I don't want to be American. Let us decide what is in our interest, or if you guys really think you know what's good for us, why not just take us over like you did with Iraq?
An American saying they don't want to be American is problematic, and I would question why they don't move away. But a non-American saying that is quite natural IMO. If I wanted to be American I would have become one by now.
As for the suicide bombers and the extremist Muslims, I don't agree with their attacks on innocent civilians but I do watch with awe as so many people are willing to pay the ultimate price for something that at first glance seems quite frivolous to them. It makes me ask...why is it so important to them!? Just calling them lunatics doesn't cut it with me. People are more complex creatures than that and even the craziest lunatic has reasons for doing what he does, and by analyzing them we can learn more about ourselves. Heck, I even learn from watching my dog sometimes.
It doesn't mean that all of a sudden we should agree with them but to go deeper into their psyche surely can't hurt. There could be some ways to give them something they want to stop the attacks without giving up anything important to the US. The only way to find such solutions is to understand their way of thinking IMO.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It doesn't mean that all of a sudden we should agree with them but to go deeper into their psyche surely can't hurt. There could be some ways to give them something they want to stop the attacks without giving up anything important to the US. The only way to find such solutions is to understand their way of thinking IMO<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They are taught from day one, that the reason their eating sand sandwiches is because of Jews and Americans,and American influence...How many sucide bombers do you get from Kuwait??
If those bombers took out their leadership they would be better off.
Giving somthing they want to stop the attacks is so fxckin assinine....rewarding bad behaivior begets more bad behavior.
Take a look at Iran this weekend,they are starting to get it finally,the students are attacking the real cause,their own 1000 years behind the times leaders.
They are taught from day one, that the reason their eating sand sandwiches is because of Jews and Americans,and American influence...How many sucide bombers do you get from Kuwait??
If those bombers took out their leadership they would be better off.
Giving somthing they want to stop the attacks is so fxckin assinine....rewarding bad behaivior begets more bad behavior.
Take a look at Iran this weekend,they are starting to get it finally,the students are attacking the real cause,their own 1000 years behind the times leaders.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
As for the suicide bombers and the extremist Muslims, I don't agree with their attacks on innocent civilians but I do watch with awe as so many people are willing to pay the ultimate price for something that at first glance seems quite frivolous to them. It makes me ask...why is it so important to them!? Just calling them lunatics doesn't cut it with me. People are more complex creatures than that and even the craziest lunatic has reasons for doing what he does, and by analyzing them we can learn more about ourselves. Heck, I even learn from watching my dog sometimes.
It doesn't mean that all of a sudden we should agree with them but to go deeper into their psyche surely can't hurt. There could be some ways to give them something they want to stop the attacks without giving up anything important to the US. The only way to find such solutions is to understand their way of thinking IMO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sir, you are forgetting that these scumbags flew 2 planes into the WTT? Give them what they want? Are you kidding? We're going to give them death. In a way, I guess that is what they want. They are suicide attackers, for sure. Anyone who attacks the U.S. and it's fine people is committing suicide.
It's hard for me to understand sometimes the way peoples from smaller countries, such as yourself, look at America as some kind of world oppressor. You seem to, as well. I have a hunch my country, the great oppressor, gives your country quite a tidy sum of money in aid each year...funds that could go towards solving some of our own problems. Yet, to you, the U.S. is some kind of great oppressor.
The U.S. is one of the least oppressive world leaders in the history of mankind. Compare the U.S. to every world power since the Roman Empire. America has been extremely humble in it's role as a world leader.
Call these terrorists scumbags whatever name you want...lunatics, brave men...whatever you like. The fact is they are religious zealots who commit crimes against humanity in the name of religion. They are not reasonable folks. That is one of the many reasons they will not get "a little of what they want" from the U.S.
I call them hateful, cowardly scumbags, and will continue to do so.
As for the suicide bombers and the extremist Muslims, I don't agree with their attacks on innocent civilians but I do watch with awe as so many people are willing to pay the ultimate price for something that at first glance seems quite frivolous to them. It makes me ask...why is it so important to them!? Just calling them lunatics doesn't cut it with me. People are more complex creatures than that and even the craziest lunatic has reasons for doing what he does, and by analyzing them we can learn more about ourselves. Heck, I even learn from watching my dog sometimes.
It doesn't mean that all of a sudden we should agree with them but to go deeper into their psyche surely can't hurt. There could be some ways to give them something they want to stop the attacks without giving up anything important to the US. The only way to find such solutions is to understand their way of thinking IMO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sir, you are forgetting that these scumbags flew 2 planes into the WTT? Give them what they want? Are you kidding? We're going to give them death. In a way, I guess that is what they want. They are suicide attackers, for sure. Anyone who attacks the U.S. and it's fine people is committing suicide.
It's hard for me to understand sometimes the way peoples from smaller countries, such as yourself, look at America as some kind of world oppressor. You seem to, as well. I have a hunch my country, the great oppressor, gives your country quite a tidy sum of money in aid each year...funds that could go towards solving some of our own problems. Yet, to you, the U.S. is some kind of great oppressor.
The U.S. is one of the least oppressive world leaders in the history of mankind. Compare the U.S. to every world power since the Roman Empire. America has been extremely humble in it's role as a world leader.
Call these terrorists scumbags whatever name you want...lunatics, brave men...whatever you like. The fact is they are religious zealots who commit crimes against humanity in the name of religion. They are not reasonable folks. That is one of the many reasons they will not get "a little of what they want" from the U.S.
I call them hateful, cowardly scumbags, and will continue to do so.
American,
Although it may not look like it, I am actually suggesting something that is good for America because every attack by the USA leads to more killing of Americans later on. I'm not saying to sacrifice anything of importance, but rather look for something of little importance to you but maybe of larger importance to them.
A good analogy might be if you had a lunatic for a next door neighbor who for some reason throws eggs on your car every day. Sure, you could get him back by throwing a rock through his window, then he would use explosives then you'd take out your gun etc. and it would go down to who is more willing to risk his life. If both are fully willing then probably you would both die. Not a very good outcome I would say. If I were in this situation I would wonder why I'm getting the eggs and the guy on the other side of the lunatic is not getting any eggs. I'd talk to this guy and ask what kind of contact he has with the lunatic. It might be as simple as him saying "Good morning" every day and me not. If this happens to be the case then what is a better strategy for me? To say good morning from now on or to get into a war? Probably the former. And if I have a problem with the score that needs to be settled I would do it in a way that he doesn't know it's me. Maybe I'd wait a few weeks and then when he's not expecting it follow him to the supermarket and while he's not looking put a banana in his tailpipe. I will have gotten even, solved the problem at hand and avoided a war. Wouldn't that be a superior solution? I think so.
Besides, the aggressive approach doesn't even seem doable. You have to find them first and kill only them while avoiding innocents and you have to get all of them and their families or else their children or grandchildren will be out for revenge and the whole thing will never end. Is this really practical?
Or what other ways are there to implement the "kill the motherfvckers" strategy that is effective and won't result in more American lives lost in the future?
As for us getting US support I think you are confusing us with 3rd world countries. Hungary is joining the EU in 2 months and is doing quite well on its own economically without any aid from wealthier nations. Sure the US is a key trade partner as are many others but the US also benefits from these dealings so it can hardly be considered aid. I wouldn't go as far as saying we are oppressed, but having more autonomy than we have would be nice.
Although it may not look like it, I am actually suggesting something that is good for America because every attack by the USA leads to more killing of Americans later on. I'm not saying to sacrifice anything of importance, but rather look for something of little importance to you but maybe of larger importance to them.
A good analogy might be if you had a lunatic for a next door neighbor who for some reason throws eggs on your car every day. Sure, you could get him back by throwing a rock through his window, then he would use explosives then you'd take out your gun etc. and it would go down to who is more willing to risk his life. If both are fully willing then probably you would both die. Not a very good outcome I would say. If I were in this situation I would wonder why I'm getting the eggs and the guy on the other side of the lunatic is not getting any eggs. I'd talk to this guy and ask what kind of contact he has with the lunatic. It might be as simple as him saying "Good morning" every day and me not. If this happens to be the case then what is a better strategy for me? To say good morning from now on or to get into a war? Probably the former. And if I have a problem with the score that needs to be settled I would do it in a way that he doesn't know it's me. Maybe I'd wait a few weeks and then when he's not expecting it follow him to the supermarket and while he's not looking put a banana in his tailpipe. I will have gotten even, solved the problem at hand and avoided a war. Wouldn't that be a superior solution? I think so.
Besides, the aggressive approach doesn't even seem doable. You have to find them first and kill only them while avoiding innocents and you have to get all of them and their families or else their children or grandchildren will be out for revenge and the whole thing will never end. Is this really practical?
Or what other ways are there to implement the "kill the motherfvckers" strategy that is effective and won't result in more American lives lost in the future?
As for us getting US support I think you are confusing us with 3rd world countries. Hungary is joining the EU in 2 months and is doing quite well on its own economically without any aid from wealthier nations. Sure the US is a key trade partner as are many others but the US also benefits from these dealings so it can hardly be considered aid. I wouldn't go as far as saying we are oppressed, but having more autonomy than we have would be nice.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
As for us getting US support I think you are confusing us with 3rd world countries. Hungary is joining the EU in 2 months and is doing quite well on its own economically without any aid from wealthier nations. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't know that. That's fantastic! I hope everything works out great for Hungary in the EU.
As for us getting US support I think you are confusing us with 3rd world countries. Hungary is joining the EU in 2 months and is doing quite well on its own economically without any aid from wealthier nations. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't know that. That's fantastic! I hope everything works out great for Hungary in the EU.
Parson, your taking the Clinton and Jimmy carter approach that led to more and more attacks on direct US intrest since we have been using the Bush approach we haven't had any major attacks on US soil....thats all that counts...and also there is trade opening up with Lybia from the US..and Iran is on the verge of collapse....So try egging my car.
